Monthly Archives: January 2013

Look who decided to crawl out from under his rock…

Those of you who have been reading this blog for a while and are familiar with the more vocal of the anti-gay Bible-wavers will already know the name Jahnmaud Lane. Those of you not familiar are advised to read our expose about the hypocritical, homophobic and hateful ex-convict. Of late he has been fairly quiet, only resurfacing for a NOM photo opportunity in North Carolina on the passing of Amendment One.

Until recently.

Now we are all read up on Lane’s past and his proclivities – namely slandering gay people and equating them to paedophiles – we can see his latest, somewhat-unhinged postings. This was the starter;

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I don’t think Lane voted Democrat in the last election. His open hate for the President continued further, as we shall see later. In the meantime, a bit more open homophobia from the self-confessed one-time same-sex-attracted Lane, and a gem from Wayne Nolley, who we will be covering very soon regarding him sending pro-SSM individuals sexually explicit personal messages.

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Again with the sex, Wayne. You think of gay sex more than gay men do. It’s an obsession. The same is true for most of the anti-SSM crowd. It’s a personal matter. As in, none of your fucking business, pardon the pun.

Now, here is where Lane goes off on a tangent. As we saw, he likes to use the Bible to justify certain things, while ignoring the vast majority of the rest of it. No big surprise there. He also, we can presume, is not a Democrat, nor is he a supporter of the incumbent President. As we can see in the next few images, he combines both of these things into a quite worrying statement;

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Yes. Lane is actually advocating for the death of the President. Now I’m no legal eagle, but I’m pretty sure certain Federal agencies take an interest in comments like these. Given Lane’s violent past, one has to wonder what is going on in his mind.

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Lane at his typical best here. One of his frequent utterances is ‘homosexuality is evil, and the subculture is pedophilia’. Never mind that there is no link whatsoever and there is not one iota of truth in it, he still pushes it as fact.

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As does Aaron. To answer your question in a succinct and very brusque manner, paedophilia and drugs are illegal for very good reasons. Being homosexual is not, you gigantic assclown. It is idiotic views like your own that foster a negative attitude towards the LGBT community. At the extreme end it purports violence against them. And that is why people like us exist, to counter your lies and show your hatred for what it really is. Hatred.

Back to Lane and his desire to see the President dead. Here is his justification for it;

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The Bible. Big fucking surprise there. He basically just wished another human dead. Presumably in the same way he wished the man he shot had died. Luckily he didn’t. If you ever wanted to look evil in the eye, here it is.

Lane only made one more post after this, to ask someone if they would allow the age of consent to be lowered – he used the word ‘consenting’ approximately eight times in a seven-line post. After this we can only presume he either got bored and started looking for some gay porn, or realised he was defeated and quietly sidled away so as not to be noticed.

Just remember, Lane, we know who you are, and what you are, and we will always be watching.

Note – Brian  Brown has refused not only to acknowledge the anti-gay hate speech that goes on on his organisation’s Facebook page, but has also refused to acknowledge his association with Mr. Lane. Brian, associating with people like this is a sure way to see your aims and plans nosedive spectacularly…

 

Thanks for reading x

 

Brightest Blessings.

List of UK MP’s who actively support organisation with homophobic views and supporters.

Recently NOM linked to a report on a leaflet campaign going on right here in the UK by a group called Coalition for Marriage – CfM. They reported how CfM were targeting the populace of UK constituencies whose Members for Parliament – MP’s – were considered a ‘swing’ vote in the upcoming bill to run through the House of Commons regarding equal marriage treatment for homosexual couples. Their plan was to distribute a million leaflets urging people to contact their MP’s and tell them not to vote for legal equality.

The UK already has ‘civil unions’, which, while affording more rights to gay couples, is still not entirely equal. Speaking as someone who already has one and has a lawyer for a partner, let me tell you we are NOT, repeat, NOT on an equal legal footing whatsoever. Hence why the bill is going through. Now, support for equal rights marriage in the UK has generally been positive, due to a combination of lower rates of religious following, openly gay public figures and celebrities, and, in general, a culture more open of acceptance and tolerance.

This little featurette by NOM intrigued this admin, and I began digging a little into CfM. Their website, found in this link, basically argues all the same points as NOM – man and woman, redefining – as if that hasn’t already been done before, religion, blah blah blah. Nothing indicating that marriage is actually a legal concept and has nothing whatsoever to do with religion other than having a ceremony commemorating this fact.

It also has a long list of signatories, including many former and current serving MP’s. They have assigned their name and position to this group. Which means they ascribe to CfM’S ideals. As do the people who post on the Facebook wall. Who post some quite homophobic messages.

Which is why we are today posting the list of supporters, tagging them, and associating their names with the kind of hate speech they seemingly support. In supporting Coalition for Marriage, they also support the views of the organisation and their supporters. Here they are;

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All of these people have publicly associated their names with the kind of homophobic hate-speech as listed below.

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The old insult of ‘perverts’ surfacing again.

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Once again we see the anti-gay side focusing on something that not only doesn’t exist, but also is none of their business, but also hyperbolic to the extreme. Plus an insult thrown in for good measure.

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No, there isn’t. And why again with all the focus on the sex livesIt’s not only an obsession, it’s quite disturbing.

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So, basically, be gay but be quiet about it. Sorry, we locked the closet door after we came out and threw away the key.

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The Regenerus study in question has been refuted and disproved for countless faults and failures in the study sample. Countless studies since and recently have proved that children growing up with same sex parents are no less worse off than those with opposite sex parents.

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Again, see above point. Also try acting like you care about single-parent families. If ‘mother and father’ are that important, after all.

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Greyed out due to it being reported. We are not ‘anti-Christian’. We are anti-you-telling-us-what-to-do-based-on-your-own-personal-beliefs. There are many studies that show that it is a largely biological reason that decides on sexual orientation, so it is not an excuse. Even if it were a choice, why should that make a differenceYou chose a different religion than others. Why should you be afforded any ‘acceptance’ for your choice?

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Another horrible attempt to compare and equate homosexuality with paedophilia. Nothing more to say. Remember, MP’s, you condone these comments.

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More simple insults against the LGBT community. Al taken from the public page that these MP’s support.

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Again, a slippery-slope, straw-man argument that claims allowing gays to be married will allow paedophiles to marry children. Despite the fact that there is a legal age of adulthood that does not allow anyone under a certain age to sign a contract, due to intelligent and emotional development.

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This basically speaks for itself. Both Davids basically show their disdain for gay couples.

 

MP’s listed here. I hereby give yourself a chance to distance yourself from an organisation like this that not only allows oft-refuted anti-gay hate speech to remain on it’s boards for over a week, but has also seen fit to associate your names with it. Whatever your personal religious feelings, public association with hateful comments like this will only cause discord amongst your LGBT constituents, whom you are duty bound to represent in terms of the law, not religion. We await your reply.

 

Thanks for reading x

A simple lesson for NOM supporters.

Dear Karen, Jennifer and Gordon,

Excuse me for noticing the extreme amount of butthurt you seem to be experiencing over our recent blog posts that mention yourselves. We found it truly stunning that you are happy to accuse us of bullying for publicising your bullying. As highlighted here;

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Can we just clarify something in extreme detail, seeing as you don’t seem to comprehend the purpose of this blog?

Our mission statement is clear. We exist to highlight the anti-gay hatred displayed by the National Organization for Marriage, and that of their followers. Such speech is directly taken from the NOM Facebook page, which is a public social networking site. Any comments made therein are henceforth public.

Please don’t act so offended as if we’ve done something wrong. We haven’t. We are simply bringing to further public attention your obvious dislike and denigration of the LGBT community. You have chosen to share your personal anti-gay, homophobic hate speech with approximately 27,000 plus people on the NOM Facebook page. Why you are so aggrieved that we are sharing it with people who don’t share your viewpoint?

As far as we can tell, you were hoping to say such hateful things about homosexuals in a private capacity. You are obviously concerned about your homophobic comments being noticed by friends and family who may be gay. To that, we say the following.

Tough shit. You chose to share such personal feelings in a public forum. You knew full well the meaning and implications of your words. That is your prerogative. If you don’t want people you know to see your hidden personal feelings about them, then might we suggest you don’t actually make themDitto for liking posts. If you like hate speech, you obviously agree with the content.

Feel free to report us. We find the hypocrisy of you loudly trumpeting free speech when posting homophobic messages on Facebook while demanding everyone report us for passing on said ‘free speech’ truly hilarious. It also highlights your obvious cowardice and unwillingness to stand by what you said. In whining in such an obvious manner, you further undermine your own cause.

You got caught. Get over it. Stop posting hate-speech or learn to live with the consequences. Just so you know, we haven’t been asked to remove anything by WordPress. They obviously disagree with you.

You’re dismissed.

Maggie and Brian continue to lie to their followers. Said followers lap it up.

Only yesterday this blog highlighted how NOM was trying to give the impression that more people attended the Paris anti-gay-marriage rally than there actually were. Not that this rally has had any effect whatsoever on President Hollande’s plans to enact these laws. And not that that fact seems to have permeated the Neanderthalithic skulls of those who lead NOM, nor their dedicated, money-frittering rabble.

You might have thought they would have left it there with all the media reports highlighting the approximate level of attendance, which was monitored by the French police forces, who would have been woefully inept if two times as many people had turned up than had been planned for, especially given the nature of the protest and the possibility of it turning nasty. So what do NOM now claim in a new Youtube video*

Over a MILLION people turned up to demonstrate. Yes, you heard them!! A MILLION!! The picture below was taken at 0640GMT;

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Now, we made light of the fact that NOM appears to be flagrantly lying to it’s followers only yesterday. It’s allowed to do that. If said followers are stupid enough to believe these lies, and even stupider enough to send them money for being lied to, then that is their prerogative. We, on the other hand, find milking money out of gullible, poorer people who you have scared into submission using lies, empty rhetoric, religion and outright panic-mongering to be a somewhat disdainful practice, and aim to expose it. If anyone wishes to comment on this video, you can find the link here. I strongly recommend you let them know of their deceptions, and that we are aware to them. Here is a list of how different news agencies reported the approximate numbers;

BBC – 340,000

NBC – ‘Several hundred thousand’

Reuters UK – ‘Several hundred thousand’

ABC – 340,000

The Guardian, UK – 340,000 – Please note that any time The Guardian published any piece that might indicate the UK doesn’t want marriage equality – studies show it does – NOM have been first to splash the piece all over their FB page and blog, complete with skewed reporting of what the newspaper actually published. They have so far not referenced this figure.

Even Al Jazeera estimated the figure at approximately 340,000, and given their strong Muslim backing, and target audience, the opportunity was ripe for them to exploit the numbers to show how bad homosexuality was. Did theyDid they heck as like!

What this admin also finds very interesting is NOM’s mission statement, where they allege in relation to ‘traditional marriage’, to ‘protect the faith communities that sustain it.’ NOM does not seem to realise that approximately 40-50 percent of those attending the homophobia rally were in fact Muslims. NOM and their followers – and their former employees, in the case of Louis Marinelli – have in the past, and even recently, given Marinelli’s conspiracy-obsessed anti-Obama rants during the election, given Muslims in general a very short shrift. NOM will happily protect a faith community, so long as it’s one of its own faith communities.

 

NOM are obviously in desperate times if they need to embellish three times over the number of people they think support their cause in a country thousands of miles away, with a population less than a third that of the States’. We here at NOManiacs can see it for what it really is – blustering and exaggerating to make one seem bigger and better than they actually are, because deep down, NOM know they don’t have the support, nor can they stand up to the challenge they face. We’ve seen it all before. The only problem is, as we have all seen before, is that the lie will eventually catch up with them.

Thanks for reading x

NOM display either poor historical knowledge, or they know they are beaten

NOM recently posted the below image and comments regarding the recent anti-gay rally in Paris, and commented that the predicted numbers couldn’t possibly have been correct, because it looked like the same number of people. Have a look for yourself. Pay due care and attention to the dates;

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Now, anyone who knows a little about European history, and the history of France in general, will know that 14th July 1789 is the French national holiday, when troops stormed the notorious Parisien prison. Each year, on 14th July, France basically has a mahoosive party to celebrate this, as it heralded the return of the French monarchy. There are countless parades, musical performances, dances, fireworks, the whole enchilada. 700,000 people pictured there in 2009 is likely an underestimation. What happens on Bastille Day can be found in this link or via a quick Google search. Just remember these figures came from Police estimations, and Les Gendarmes aren’t known for mucking around or lying.

Consider when the anti-gay rally took place. January 2013, when temperatures in Paris were close to 0 degrees, which is 32F if you prefer that. No wonder not as many people turned out. Though this isn’t very apparent to Maggie, Brian and the rest of the six-figure-salaried hatemongers at NOM. They must have thought it a 220-year-old conspiracy designed to alter perceptions of attitudes towards gay people, because surely MILLIONS must have turned out to show how icky France thinks the gays are. One comment on the post actually said they thought there were more in the January picture than July. This is what happens when you drink whiskey for breakfast, children.

Something Brian and Maggie didn’t deign to mention either. French press are reporting that approximately 40-50 percent of those attending the rally were actually Muslims, who have come in for pretty short shrift on the NOM page. So far NOM haven’t acknowledged this fact. Considering they want to protect marriage based on Christian, not Muslim principles, something like this should not have passed them by.

Because simply put, it didn’t. I’m not sure whether they are genuinely that stupid that they didn’t realise such simple concepts as the ones mentioned above, or they did, but still fed these lies and supposed conspiracies to their followers. If it is the latter, then they are showing their true colours, in that they will lie, cheat, steal and deceive in order to keep receiving the obscene amounts of money they award themselves. And these from people who supposedly believe that Greed is a Deadly Sin.

We’re on to you, Brian. We’re on to you, Maggie. And we will continue to expose the truth. Or your stupidity. Whichever it may be…

OUTED: NOM Supporter Michele Verret-Ayala Creates Fake Profile to Continue Posting Hate Speech

NOM supporter Michele Verret-Ayala has been very vocal on the National Organization for Marriage page since the beginning of the holidays. Today, “onemanonewomanmarriage” was outed as having a fake profile. She claims people are attacking her family. Interesting, considering just last week she posted this to a marriage equality supporter:
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This was reported as Hate Speech to Facebook including her other numerous posts. Facebook banned her from posting, so instead of throwing in the towel, she goes out of her way to create fake profiles. Normally, many people would dismiss this behavior but Michele was quick to point out fake profiles created by marriage equality supporters because NOM banned them for posting things that went against their cause.

Here are the other Micheles:

Created when she was temporarily banned from posting:
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When someone recognized Onemanonewomanmarriage’s posts matched those of Michele’s, she confessed (after posting Hate Speech for days):

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Protect the people you love? Well, if you go onto a public page and attack other peoples’ families, you should expect some animosity. That goes for same-sex couples. Insulting someone’s partner, as Michele has, deserves attention.

And for what it’s worth, here’s Michele criticizing someone else for doing something she’s been doing all along…”trolling.”
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Galling naïveté and outright hatred from the followers of NOM. Including mostly new faces.

Now, we all know that the Bible contains parts in it ordering it’s readers not to question it for it is the one, the only truth. Even though there are dozens of versions of said ‘truth’. We all know that are contradictions upon contradictions in the Bible that the more fervent theists refuse to even acknowledge, let alone explain. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence can see that there are inherent fallacies with the Bible and as such it cannot be used in secular law-making, nor as a tool to control the secular freedoms of others.

Unless you are a NOM supporter, that is. Several studies have found that, on average, theists are 4-6 IQ points worse off. Believe us, those points count. The studies can be seen here, and explained more simply in this link. Here we see some new faces to NOManiacs show their apparent lack of comprehension abilities, or even an capability to display knowledge of correct facts.

I apologise now for this is going to be a VERY long blog post. We’ll look at each of the highlighted points in turn, and inform each individual as to the correct, verifiable facts. ReadyHere we go…

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This one is pretty easy to dismiss. The Bible, for reasons listed above, is not the first and foremost law on everything. For reasons of space we are forgoing the normal practice of listing the people who actually like these posts. We’d be here until the summer. Next…

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Fact One. Marriage is not an institution of the Church. It is a legal concept blessed by the relevant religion in a ceremony known as a ‘wedding’. Fun fact – Pagan rituals pre-dated anything the Bible writes about the topic. In a Handfasting, a blessed rope is tied and knotted around both parties’ wrists using a hitch knot. Hence the current idioms of ‘tying the knot’ and ‘getting hitched’. Moving on to some real hatred…

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Gordon, we hate to break this to you, but it really, really isn’t. The fact that there is nothing in any marriage vows that promises to rear children appears to have passed you by, as has the fact you seem to think that infertile/old couples, as well as those who choose not to have children, now cannot marry. You said it, pal. I can also quote reams of studies NOT financed by religious organisations that are inherently on the side the LGBT community. See this one for starters.

As for Ryan, his outright insults are duly noted, and the link he offers takes you here – it is basically an argument against homosexuality mainly based on sex. Honestly, they’re fixated by it more than we are. Next hatemongers…

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Note to Andrew – we support the right for a woman to choose what she wants do do with her own body, you raging misogynist. This has also no relevance to a legal marriage argument, nor any credence to equal rights. Kudos for a shameful effort to label all pro-SSM people as rampant baby-murderers, but we, unlike you, are not that stupid to be taken in by it.

Kevin, see the above point about not requiring procreation for marriage, and vice versa. It’s not all about sex and babies. You might want to realise the fact that unmarried couples have children, as do single parents. Maybe you should focus your attention on them if you feel so strongly about the subject instead of inhabiting a page that openly admits to wanting to discriminate against gays.

Ronald, people get married. Not genitals. Get your nose out of our bedrooms. You utter pervert.

Daniel, the blue comment says it all. See the above arguments for why. Then take pride in the fact that you support the legal discrimination of other human beings, you despicable cretin. Next…

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Shirley, we have already covered the procreation argument. As for brainwashing, see the linked studies at the top of the page and realise that it’s not the educational establishments doing the brainwashing, darling…

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Andrew, seems you have difficulty grasping the concept of Nature. This link here shows that homosexuality indeed DOES exist in Nature, ergo it must designate it as Natural, ergo your point is moot. You can find many more studies that show the same result. Ditto about ‘God’. See the first paragraph.

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We’re not self-hating. We’re entirely happy with who we are and don’t have to take to public forums to voice our dislike for another section of society based on something that, and let’s not play dumb here, is an entirely private part of someone else’s life. As for promiscuity, I think that, gay or straight, promiscuousness is simply an inherent human condition. Don’t even get us started on the oft-debunked myth about homosexuality/AIDS/HIV etc. The second you take lesbians, who, by definition cannot spread it, your ‘facts’ and ‘figures’ are, simply put, utter bollocks.

Daniel, you think the LGBT community should be legally discriminated against. See the above points before realising any you make are irrelevant.

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Gary’s circular logic aside, marriage does exist outside of the Bible. Otherwise, non-Christians couldn’t get married. This is a whole new level of ridiculousness. Also see earlier notes on Handfasting.

Daniel, really, this is bordering on the extremely perverse. Can you stop intruding into our bedrooms – it’s not healthy. Nor is an obsession with male rather than female gay sex from someone supposedly straight…

Amy, we agree. Regardless of whether it is opposite- or same-sex couples. Children do well raised by two parents. Thank you for agreeing.

Jared, who has been featured here before, again is using the concept of ‘sin’, which is solely a religious concept and cannot be proved to exist in any tangible or intangible form. The irony of you talking about valid arguments was not lost on us.

Marty, your irony of saying diversity matters while arguing against equality for diverse sections of society is not also not missed, but also risibly inane. Oh, and there ARE laws that allow same-sex couples equal recognition under the law. They cover about 20 percent of  your country. The fact a Brit had to tell you that should be quite embarrassing.

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Robert, it was good enough for my Mum and Dad too. Seeing how happy it made them only reinforces my belief that I should be afforded the same protection and rights as they were. They think that too, because they aren’t so insecure about their own union that they worry allowing gay people the same rights might destroy it

Elena, there are already 7,000,000,000 people on this planet. The need to rampantly procreate and populate the lands has already passed us by, dear…

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Andrew, if we ‘get our way’ – I prefer the term, ‘be afforded equal treatment under the law’ – the fact that gay marriage is allowed will not make it compulsory. Nor will everybody stop having children. Nor the fact that we are LGBT makes us in any way infertile. And what the FUCK were you smoking when you came up with that comment about murdering children* Honestly, I’m concerned for your sanity.

Michele, we have featured you before, yet you persist in posting messages in a known hate-group. So we will happily tag you again and inform you that the above point about the population of the Earth at this time still stands. It hasn’t changed in the 15 minutes it’s taken me to get this far.

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The above was made in response to someone who used the phrase ‘gay couples and their families’. NOM doesn’t foster hatredNOM isn’t a hate groupTwo words. Fuck off.

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Michele, we are dealing with facts and very real scenarios. Not something that will never, ever happen. Nice hyperbolic hypothetical attempt at distracting from the point at hand to avoid having to answer it, but we are aware to your tricks. Where you later made excuses not to answer was also noted.

Jamie, the law of the land says that it IS about tolerance. It says it IS about equality. It also IS that civil law you cite that you feel is beneath you. Try citing ‘God’s decisions’ if you ever fall foul of that law yourself. And Jack, no, it isn’t. See the first paragraph.

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Now this is just a whole heap of hatred right here. Hasani, you might need to realise that one, fornication is OK. It’s called having sex. It’s allowed. Two, you also need to realise that allowing two adults of the same sex will NOT pave the way for paedophilia – simply because that children are not allowed to enter into legal contracts like marriage due to their age, development and intelligence. Three, nor will it lead to beastiality. I have yet to hear of any animal give its consent to marriage vows.

Now, this admin has come across Jason Salamone, gay-hater extraordinaire, on a few occasions before. This is actually mild by his standards. He has parroted these arguments time and again and has been refuted, time and again. His grasp on the genetics of homosexuality is basic at best. He trumpets having both mother and father present for children yet remains stoically silent on single-parents until questioned. He has no plan for them. He still cannot grasp that homosexuality has not been classed as a mental disorder or forty years, nor the fact it is as much a ‘behaviour’ as heterosexuality is. His statistics on homosexual coupes an domestic violence come from a flawed study that used a poor sampling for comparison. When I mentioned those IQ points earlier, I sad 4-6 was an average. Jason appears to be 40-60 off. His stubbornness to believe anything other than what he says is unfathomably endless.

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Again, Jared, the slippery-slope, straw-man argument will not hold up under any scrutiny. See the above point. Or, if you need a very simple way to remember it, if it can’t physically say vows or isn’t old enough, it isn’t gong to happen. Maybe you should follow your Bible, and stop making these false judgments.

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It seems like Jason would happily allow gay people to marry the opposite gender even though he knows that they would be having sex with the same gender. And he thinks that it’s gays that are destroying marriage…

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Funny how people were talking about marrying appliances, and George uses an appliance analogy. They must be the ones who are advocating for human/appliance marriage. Clever sods.

Michele pops up again with her own brand of bigoted hatred. Michele, darling, homosexuals already contribute to this world in ways that are beyond counting. To say they don’t is at best ignorant and at worst outright evil. The institution of marriage exists to bond two people who are willing to dedicate their lives to each other and reap the benefits it brings. The courts are beginning to realise that, and the only argument against allowing SSM is religious in nature. Laws are not based on religion, Michele.

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How about not needing to PROCREATE TO MARRYAnd attempting to make your point by using UNNECESSARY CAPITALS?

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Tammy Sorenson displaying not only inconceivable belief in Creationism but also apparently support for incest. Those grandkids came from somewhere, Tammy…

At this point, Jason Salamone started posting lengthy entries that claimed gay marriage had wrecked marriage in Spain and The Netherlands. Not only were these false claims, he failed to cite his ‘facts’. I would have capped it and put it here but I don’t want to concentrate too much on one raving homophobe.

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Margarita, please see the oft-repeated point about marriage vows and the current population.

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Not only every debunked argument ever offered by NOM, but some good old fashioned gay-bashing thrown in for good measure.

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Wow, this is a whole boatload of bullshit right here. Chris, your ‘scientific’ results came from theological organisations who fed them to you knowing you wouldn’t question them because they, like you, hate gays. Marriage IS a legal contract. The ‘as long as you both shall live’ part of the civil ceremony must have passed you by, genius. As for the slippery slope argument, see the earlier points. Religions are attempting to curtail women’s rights all the time via secular laws. Please go moan at them.

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We aren’t sure if this guy is genuine or not, but the fact remains that NOM are still allowing hate speech like this on their page. Either their admin is incompetent, or they actively endorse comments like this.

So ends another long – I did warn you – blog about the rampant homophobia fostered by NOM and participated in by everyone, new to their page or old. This has taken me four hours to compile and after seeing such douchebaggery, hatred, obnoxiousness, stubbornness and idiocy I now need to go bathe in sulphuric acid to cleanse myself.

Brightest Blessings x